tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post8391298011076068327..comments2023-08-27T04:22:55.468-07:00Comments on The Literary Lab: Creative Quote UsageUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger74125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-37080532556567427602010-08-29T20:44:03.580-07:002010-08-29T20:44:03.580-07:00Ugh, you're right it wan't borderline rand...Ugh, you're right it wan't borderline random. Hrm. I'm too much of a rule monkey. lolC. N. Nevetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375714948653196993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-46029524451223177712010-08-27T23:12:11.926-07:002010-08-27T23:12:11.926-07:00Hey Nevets, thanks a lot for the link. You're ...Hey Nevets, thanks a lot for the link. You're use of quotations feels more systematic in this piece. I've done similar things, and I do like the feel of it. It somehow puts me closer into the narrator's head. Cool story!Davin Malasarnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09385823575081492949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-13044036102866866772010-08-27T09:05:55.047-07:002010-08-27T09:05:55.047-07:00So, Domey, I haven't tried this technique very...So, Domey, I haven't tried this technique very often since college. I played with it a smidge today over on <a href="http://bit.ly/aHSl09" rel="nofollow">Flashy Fiction</a>. It's an un-edited flash response, but I think the technique worked okay-ish.C. N. Nevetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375714948653196993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-88661545293803588982010-08-26T11:18:38.034-07:002010-08-26T11:18:38.034-07:00This is a family blog, mister doctor!This is a family blog, mister doctor!scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-70957548471939753912010-08-26T10:58:05.089-07:002010-08-26T10:58:05.089-07:00Why can't all of our comment discussions be li...Why can't all of our comment discussions be like this?Davin Malasarnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09385823575081492949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-78572500937135282362010-08-26T10:55:37.494-07:002010-08-26T10:55:37.494-07:00I'd heard the term bowdlerize used, but had no...I'd heard the term bowdlerize used, but had no idea that's what it came from--thanks for the info! A similar terrible "abridgement" was done to Michelangelo's work in The Sistine Chapel; that makes my blood boil in a bad way. He gave so much of himself to that work--couldn't they just leave it alone? And, in that case, I don't think Michelangelo really meant anything sexual in most of the nude depictions.mshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05189632590362435386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-28463271471412470722010-08-26T10:36:53.996-07:002010-08-26T10:36:53.996-07:00FP: No, it's not you, it's Bill S. There i...FP: No, it's not you, it's Bill S. There is so much sex talk in his plays that in the 18th century a guy named Tom Bowdler published an edition of the plays that edited out all the double entendres and it was so infamous that the word "bowdlerize" entered the language to mean "cleaning up to fit prudishness." Some passages in Shakespeare, even in his really serious plays, are just...well, there's no other word for it but obscene. Which some of us like.<br /><br />I'm not going to try to guess why Dr. Malasarn wants to be called "Big Daddy."scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-38677780606949884092010-08-26T10:32:22.997-07:002010-08-26T10:32:22.997-07:00DomeyDavinDomeyDavin..., I never think of Big D. s...DomeyDavinDomeyDavin..., I never think of Big D. specifically as meaning Big Daddy. It looks like something else to me! lolololol <br /><br />I thought Scott was being humorously perverse at first, and then I realized, NO, it's just MY one-track mind.<br /><br />This has been my secret little laugh here all along--now the secret's out.<br /><br />Maybe I read Shakespeare too closely in my teen years--sex is everywhere in there! I seem to remember a court jester somewhere yelling out something like "Hold my piece!" Or did my one-track mindness imagine that too? I thought it was in King Lear because I read that one several times back then; but given the language changes, that might not have meant what it sounds like (at least to me) today. <br /><br />So let me just say that SOMEthing in his texts gave me that imagery, and I thought it was both amazing and funny, especially when I saw others talking about his works with such serious faces and snooty voices. I always imagine Old Shakes sitting there mockingly laughing at everyone as they read his texts.....mshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05189632590362435386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-36573089764865491092010-08-26T08:09:28.719-07:002010-08-26T08:09:28.719-07:00Nevets: Oh, I see what you're saying, yes. I r...<b>Nevets:</b> Oh, I see what you're saying, yes. I remember having a discussion similar to this in my college English classes. I think the conclusion we came to was that it depends on what kind of a reader is examining the text - if they examine it at all. I remember one student getting angry because e.e. cummings didn't capitalize things. It's bad grammar, they said. Yeah, well...Michelle D. Argylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09696465137285587646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-43483299059544057882010-08-26T08:04:43.998-07:002010-08-26T08:04:43.998-07:00Michelle, not questioning whether or not she did i...Michelle, not questioning whether or not she did it on purpose. I'm convinced she did. What I was saying is actually that even as an intentional device, it can have the same impact as a typo or a mechanical error. It's a double-edged sword.C. N. Nevetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375714948653196993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-68579665024572201872010-08-26T07:33:00.286-07:002010-08-26T07:33:00.286-07:00Nevets: That is, of course, very true, but Virgini...<b>Nevets:</b> That is, of course, very true, but Virginia Woolf didn't go around making typos and grammatical errors to make her readers ask why. She did this on purpose, I'm pretty sure, especially since it happens throughout the book.Michelle D. Argylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09696465137285587646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-10929883370442825622010-08-26T07:26:39.103-07:002010-08-26T07:26:39.103-07:00Getting the reader to ask why can be powerful, but...Getting the reader to ask why can be powerful, but it can also be distracting and create artificial distance. <br /><br />To put it most coarsely, clever and intentional literary gimmicks can have the exact same effect as typos and mechanical errors if you are not extremely careful.C. N. Nevetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375714948653196993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-51127317399683929142010-08-26T07:03:01.379-07:002010-08-26T07:03:01.379-07:00What a great discussion! I'm sad that I didn&#...What a great discussion! I'm sad that I didn't make the time to come over here and participate yesterday, so forgive me if what I say has already been said<br /><br />Domey, I think Woolf accomplished what she wanted to accomplish - she made you look twice and question something, and from what I remember of studying Virginia Woolf, many believed she did everything with a very specific purpose. It wasn't always clear to me what she was trying to do, but after questioning things in <i>Orlando,</i> I remember getting much more out of the text than I would have if particular elements "were just like everything else."<br /><br />With that said - and people probably already said it up above - I believe the creative quote usage brings another layer to the story and does what Jane mentions at the beginning: shocks the reader out of her complacency about the scene. Getting the reader to ask why can be very powerful.Michelle D. Argylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09696465137285587646noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-44108609782194571802010-08-25T21:05:36.128-07:002010-08-25T21:05:36.128-07:00Scott, so you're a boxing fencing rocker guy? ...Scott, so you're a boxing fencing rocker guy? That's pretty cool. <br /><br />FP, There are plenty of writers that i want to like and can't. That's always interesting to me. You and Woolf are similar, but you're not exactly the same. And since clarity is so important to you, perhaps that difference is big enough to keep you from getting into her work. I'm surprised you like Big D, LOL.Davin Malasarnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09385823575081492949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-61486131760970428112010-08-25T20:46:30.757-07:002010-08-25T20:46:30.757-07:00I've just spent some time looking at excerpts ...I've just spent some time looking at excerpts of Woolf's work--maybe I kept starting with the wrong Woolf books. I never tried Between The Acts until tonight, and that one seems pretty clearly written; I'll try to finish that one. And of course I've heard of and have read some excerpts from A Room Of One's Own. When I've read her speaking as herself, she's made more sense to me. I don't understand why she seems to change her voice so much in her fiction, or maybe I'm wrong about that. I'll see.<br /><br />I tend to read books book-by-book. Like I think Good Morning, Midnight is one of the best novels ever written. But I've repeatedly tried to get through Rhys's Wide Sargasso Sea and still can't finish that one; I still think it's overrated. Between the extremely depressing content and Rhys's extremely depressing voice--I cannot muster enough enthusiasm there. I tire easily, I always suffer with having too little potential energy. When I read something, it must provide me with enough activation energy so I can fully engage with the work.<br /><br />By the way, I mistakenly used autobiographically above when I should have used biographically. I've read nonfiction both by and about her, but much more biographical information than autobiographical.mshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05189632590362435386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-5224437303936109682010-08-25T18:53:19.054-07:002010-08-25T18:53:19.054-07:00Bummer no kickboxing, because I think your ninjits...Bummer no kickboxing, because I think your ninjitsu could beat my aikido if you were ever flexible enough to be a gymnast.<br /><br />Curry makes everything good, though.<br /><br />Even mangos.C. N. Nevetshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00375714948653196993noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-81776126654680627062010-08-25T18:35:17.461-07:002010-08-25T18:35:17.461-07:00Sorry about this--I don't know why that double...Sorry about this--I don't know why that double posted--I've been having all kinds of problems with blogger today....mshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05189632590362435386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-61140412183287566982010-08-25T18:34:07.120-07:002010-08-25T18:34:07.120-07:00No--I think you're right, Big D, especially be...No--I think you're right, Big D, especially because Woolf and I are basically gloomy writers, and I do quite a bit of psychological floating in my narratives. But I do hope my writing's clearer! If not, I better get back to work, pronto! Clarity is my intent; it may not have been hers.<br /><br />I want to like her work--that's why I've kept trying. I've read so much about her autobiographically. But it always seems like I can't get into her fiction. Maybe I keep expecting something from it that just won't be there, and I should just try to appreciate it for what <i>is</i> there. Sometimes I screw up things and can't even apply my own principles. Maybe I can find order in what I've perceived as Woolf's disorder.<br /><br />I always wanted to call you Big D.--I laughed so hard the first time Scott did! I picture you wearing a black fedora, slightly--and a bit evilly--covering one eye, Big D. lol.mshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05189632590362435386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-44774515748384985852010-08-25T18:34:05.357-07:002010-08-25T18:34:05.357-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.mshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05189632590362435386noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-10923072089221149772010-08-25T16:26:42.550-07:002010-08-25T16:26:42.550-07:00I've read "Kitchen." She's weird...I've read "Kitchen." She's weird in a really cool way. I studied boxing in high school. Which means that I was punched in the head a lot as a boy. That likely explains a great deal. I took a semester of fencing in college.scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-56647624145213580302010-08-25T16:10:46.563-07:002010-08-25T16:10:46.563-07:00If it helps, I am an ex-gymnast and studied Japane...If it helps, I am an ex-gymnast and studied Japanese martial arts for a few years. Ninjutsu. I don't think I'm supposed to announce that, though. I also like sushi and Banana Yoshimoto...who you really must read if you haven't. Have you?Davin Malasarnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09385823575081492949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-38072677325261305862010-08-25T16:07:41.215-07:002010-08-25T16:07:41.215-07:00I refuse to believe that you don't kickbox. Th...I refuse to believe that you don't kickbox. That's an essential part of my image of you.scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-57276448898326129082010-08-25T16:06:49.103-07:002010-08-25T16:06:49.103-07:00Big D., I of course know that "farang" h...Big D., I of course know that "farang" has more than one meaning. <br /><br />Mighty Reader and I are growing our own curry in the garden. We have not cooked with it yet, but it smells fine.scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-36085092599992236752010-08-25T16:02:54.476-07:002010-08-25T16:02:54.476-07:00Oh, Scott. You're making this much too easy fo...Oh, Scott. You're making this much too easy for us in the know! I don't really know how to kick box, though. That was a lie. But I make a mean curry.Davin Malasarnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09385823575081492949noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2092805684169371138.post-67626951109315594692010-08-25T15:57:25.299-07:002010-08-25T15:57:25.299-07:00Why would you make fun of guava? Is it a particula...Why would you make fun of guava? Is it a particularly amusing fruit?scott g.f.baileyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05726743149139510832noreply@blogger.com